Please Stop for School Buses

"ttyymmnn" (ttyymmnn) 10/30/2018 at 14:22 • Filed to: None

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!!!error: Indecipherable SUB-paragraph formatting!!! is an unspeakable tragedy. These kids are three years apart, just like my sons. Can you imagine the phone call these parents got because somebody didn’t feel like stopping? Can you imagine sending your kids to school and coming home to an empty house? It’s too much for me to think about. Please. Stop.

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Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 14:28

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but that it was unclear if she would face charges in the deaths.

I mean... she ignored a stopped bus and literally ran over children. How is this unclear?

functionoverfashion > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 14:29

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Slocum said authorities were interviewing the driver, but that it was unclear if she would face charges in the deaths

what.

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I’m about to go pick up my kids from school. I will give them an extra hug.

ttyymmnn > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/30/2018 at 14:30

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The only thing I can figure is that maybe the kids started crossing before the bus lights were on?

CarsofFortLangley - Oppo Forever > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/30/2018 at 14:30

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Start with a tazing, then charges.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 14:33

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Maybe, but you still can’t run people over -- I hope ... Wonder how fast she was going.

ttyymmnn > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/30/2018 at 14:34

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Or if she was on the phone/texting.

atfsgeoff > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 14:36

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They don’t teach children to look both ways before crossing the road these days? That shit was drilled into my head by my parents, and was habit by the time I started 1st grade.

And yeah, the pickup driver should be charged with three counts of manslaughter at least.

facw > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 14:37

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Seems far more likely to be another case where we treat crashes as “accidents” and generally don’t punish people beyond monetary damages unless there are drugs or alcohol involved.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 14:37

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Negligent driving, reckless driving, involuntary manslaughter, vehicular homicide, they’ll get her on something.

Cash Rewards > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/30/2018 at 14:37

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Article said northbound truck hit kids in southbound lane, so driver crossed over to pass bus. Unbelievable

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > Cash Rewards 10/30/2018 at 14:37

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Holy fuck.

Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo > facw 10/30/2018 at 14:38

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If he had one beer she’ll be burned at the stake; if she was texting it’ll be a “whoopsie-doodle.”

ttyymmnn > facw 10/30/2018 at 14:40

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Agreed. We need to stop using the term “accident.” Sure, some are accidents. But most of them are “ crashes” because somebody was being negligent.

DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 14:42

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My father in law is a school bus driver so through him I have a special contempt for people go around school buses out of impatience.

My apartment complex is at the end of a short cul- de- sac. The kids wait at the driveway into the apartment complex where they are picked up. The bus stays in the cul-de-sac but as it’s very close to the driveway the law still applys. But the amount of people I see going past the bus with its stop sign out every day is incredible. I’ve been honked at before for waiting. I know I shouldn’t be, but I’m honestly shocked people are this selfish and that impatient to save like 2 minutes. Leave earlier, damn.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 14:44

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oh man... i couldnt even begin to imagine going through something like that..... i’d hug me kid but shes 16 now and hugs only happen when she wants one

had an accident here that drove the point home not long ago

a lot of daycares round here use these lectric child buckets to ferry the kids around

went right under a train... apparantly the electromagnetic energy from the cables powering the train made it go haywire and unable to stop for the crossing (still being investigated)

4 kids dead 1 survived... childminder survived to.... shes gonna need therapy to get over that me thinks

soo yeah.... hug your kids if they still small enough to want that

ttyymmnn > DAWRX - The Herb Strikes Back 10/30/2018 at 14:44

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Really, you shouldn’t be shocked. The other day, I was passing an accident scene and pulled over for an approaching fire truck. The guy behind me just drove around me and kept going.

haveacarortwoorthree2 > atfsgeoff 10/30/2018 at 14:46

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a 9 year old and two 6 year olds? It doesn’t matter how many times you tell them, drill it into them, etc., they still will occasionally forget, get excited to see a friend and omit that step, be overconfident since the bus is right there with its stop arm and flashing lights, etc . I’d bet my house that you have not looked both ways every time you’ve crossed the street since you were in first grade.

ttyymmnn > farscythe - makin da cawfee! 10/30/2018 at 14:51

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My boys are 13 and 16, so not very huggy. But this certainly puts life into perspective, doesn’t it?

OPPOsaurus WRX > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 14:53

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Fuck that person.  I hope they wake up every morning and the first though they have is of those kids.  

atfsgeoff > haveacarortwoorthree2 10/30/2018 at 14:53

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It’s human nature to forget things, especially for prepubescent children. T he price for forgetting is extremely high here, especially when the children forget to look before crossing AND a truck driver forgets to stop for a school bus.

farscythe - makin da cawfee! > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 14:54

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oh yeah... my daughter cycles to school... soo its a worry

next year she’ll be going to school a town over... soo cycling to the station then grabbing a train and then being a girl in the big city (well... big for the north:p)

i’ll probably be tearing my hair out... joys of parenting lol

Chuckles > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 14:56

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This is what happens when everybody acts like wherever they’re going is the most important trip in the world. I don’t care if you’re late for work, school, or just trying to get home. It can wait. Getting stuck in traffic behind a bus shouldn’t become a life or death scenario.

As I get older, I've lost all patience for people who drive recklessly, pass on the shoulder, cut off other drivers, etc. You're not that important, and we'd all be better off if everyone would just chill the fuck out.

ttyymmnn > OPPOsaurus WRX 10/30/2018 at 14:57

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The court should make her hang a framed picture of them in her living room.

ttyymmnn > Chuckles 10/30/2018 at 14:58

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we’d all be better off if everyone would just chill the fuck out.

THIS. Just chill the fuck out and we’ll all get where we are going.

Chuckles > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 15:03

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I have no idea where this driver was going, but there’s no good reason to do something so unsafe just to arrive a few minutes earlier.

I'm not encouraging people to relax and not pay attention, but people need to stop being in such a rush. If it's so important, leave earlier. And if you get stuck behind a bus and it makes you late, it's ok. Just be late.

Tristan > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 15:03

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I have gone through a lot of shit in life and I’ve been able to swallow a lot and keep moving over the years. Few things phase me any more, but if those were my kids I’m not sure how I could go on... What the hell is wrong with people?

MUSASHI66 > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 15:04

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You mean in her prison cell, don’t you?

ttyymmnn > MUSASHI66 10/30/2018 at 15:11

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Yes. Right. Sorry.

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 15:16

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I have to think that either they’re trying to verify that first, or (more likely) they’re just trying to determine *what* to charge her with - which may depend on the results of lab tests, whether she was on the phone, etc etc etc.

WilliamsSW > haveacarortwoorthree2 10/30/2018 at 15:17

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And that’s exactly why the law requires you to stop for school buses.  Yep, you teach them, but at that age, you can’t be sure they’ll do it every time.

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 15:19

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Horrific.  I feel awful for the family.  

ttyymmnn > WilliamsSW 10/30/2018 at 15:24

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If she is found to be negligent, they should run her over with a school bus. Hammurabi might have gotten it right. 

WiscoProud > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 15:26

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“it was unclear if she would face charges in the deaths.”

Uh, this should be an automatic 3 count manslaughter charge. Unless she was having a medical emergency and lost control, I don’t care what she meant to do.   

ttyymmnn > WilliamsSW 10/30/2018 at 15:29

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I have trouble even thinking about it.

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 15:30

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Her only possible defense is that the bus lights weren’t visible - not lit, or blocked.  Anything else, and I’m ok with that - slooooooowwwllyyy.

The Dummy Gummy > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 15:35

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I thought when buses are on the lights are automatic when the door opens?

The Dummy Gummy > Chuckles 10/30/2018 at 15:36

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This! Give this person the book. Fucking senseless deaths. Honestly, if this were my kids it would take a lot not to take care of business on my own.

ttyymmnn > The Dummy Gummy 10/30/2018 at 15:45

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I don’t know, but that makes sense. I’m just suggesting that maybe the kids stepped out before the lights came on. Either way, just don’t pass a f**king school bus on a two-lane road, even if the lights aren’t on. 

WilliamsSW > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 15:59

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I already have nightmares about things like that. Trying hard not to think about it.

AMGtech - now with more recalls! > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 16:00

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That driver should probably ask to get locked up if they aren’t already. If any involved parents find out their identity...

BigBlock440 > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 16:35

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If she is found to be negligent, they should run her over with a school bus. Hammurabi might have gotte n it right.

That’s not Hammurabi, Hammurabi would be running over her 3 kids.

BigBlock440 > Chuckles 10/30/2018 at 16:42

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Had to drive my brother-in-law to the ER once, has having trouble breathing, getting worse and worse, we made it probably just in time because he was starting to turn blue and unresponsive. So either drive the 20 minutes at normal speed to the hospital, or wait 40 minutes for the ambulance and then drive 20 minutes to the hospital.

Also had to rush home to help my dad put out a fire some asshole started on his property.  Cops never even showed up to that one, never found out who did it either.

The Dummy Gummy > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 16:52

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Got it. Wasn’t sure but you’re 100% right either way.

TheRealBicycleBuck > Chuckles 10/30/2018 at 16:54

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From the relative positions of the bus, the truck that hit the kids (upper-left of image), and the trailer park where the kids lived , it looks li ke the driver was traveling the opposite direction of the bus.

Chuckles > TheRealBicycleBuck 10/30/2018 at 17:10

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Thanks. In that case, i t’s possible that they were just negligent as opposed to intentionally making an illegal maneuver. They should still be held accountable for their actions.

Chuckles > BigBlock440 10/30/2018 at 17:13

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So occasionally it might be life or death, but I'm not willing to make that assumption for the aggressive driving that I see on a daily basis.

TheRealBicycleBuck > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 18:32

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This is where happened .

The bus was traveling east (northbound IN-25) and stopped about where the 25 marker is on the map. The Tacoma was traveling w est (southbound IN-25).

The road is relatively flat and the entrance to the mobile home park is almost 1/4 of a mile west of the curve on the east side of the map . The speed limit is 55mph. This is what it looks like for Southbound drivers approaching the mobile home park. The entrance is across the street from that red car.

The driveway where this picture was captured is 269 feet from the mobile home park entrance. At 55 mph, a car is traveling 80 feet per second. If the Tacoma driver recognized the bus was stopped when she got to this driveway, she had 3.36 seconds to get her truck stopped.

Average reaction time is about 2.3 seconds . In this time, the Tacoma covered 184 feet. That leaves 85 feet for the Tacoma to stop.

Stopping distance for an unloaded Tacoma traveling at 60 mph on a closed track driven by a professional driver is about 147 feet . If the Tacoma driver recognized the situation at the driveway above, the Tacoma should have stopped somewhere between 60 and 70 feet past the mobile home park entrance.

But that’s not where it stopped. The Tacoma is sitting about 145 feet past the entrance to the mobile home park.

So what really happened? I don’t know. There are a lot of factors that I can’t account for in this armchair analysis. I don’t see any skid marks either before or after the entrance. I’m not sure if that means the tires are old and lack grip or if it means the driver never really slammed on the brakes. A lot of people have never practiced panic stops and don’t know how fast their vehicle can really stop. Sometimes people panic and just don’t hit the brakes (or even hit the gas).

What I do know is that she may not have had a lot of time or distance to make decisions, so I’m going to chalk this up to a tragedy. I won’t be in line to throw any stones. I’m sure I’d feel differently if it were my kids. I have nothing by pain in my heart for them and their parents.

By the way, she’s being charged with three counts of reckless homicide and one count of passing a school bus when arm signal device is extended, causing bodily injury.  

ttyymmnn > TheRealBicycleBuck 10/30/2018 at 18:36

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Seeing that aerial shot, I have to wonder why the bus doesn’t pull into the trailer park. I understand it would have to turn around and exit with a left turn, but having kids cross a 55mph road doesn’t seem like a very smart thing in the first place.

Thanks for all the info.

TheRealBicycleBuck > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 18:56

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It’s becoming standard practice for bus drivers in Louisiana to block both lanes on two lane roads by turning the bus into the opposing lane. Although this you-tuber calls the practice “overealous,” I think it’s a good idea.

ttyymmnn > TheRealBicycleBuck 10/30/2018 at 19:24

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I think that’ is a great idea. Is going out of the way to protect kids ever “overzealous?”

TheRealBicycleBuck > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 19:39

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I don’t think so. The first time I saw a bus do it, I was a bit concerned about the driver’s intentions. After the kids boarded and the bus pulled back into its lane, I realized their intent and was ok with it.

BigBlock440 > Chuckles 10/30/2018 at 21:04

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I don’t know what’s going on in the other driver’s life or immediate situation, if they want to go faster than me, I’ll let them by and not worry about it.  I don’t spend a lot of time in residential neighborhoods though.

Chuckles > BigBlock440 10/30/2018 at 21:10

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That's fair. I agree about just letting them go, but my internal monologue isn't usually saying "I hope everything is alright," it's saying something more along the lines of "wow, what a jackass."

Urambo Tauro > ttyymmnn 10/30/2018 at 23:35

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Just stumbled upon another news source identifying the dipshit driver as a 24-year old, who was indeed charged- “with multiple felony counts of reckless homicide and one misdemeanor count of passing a school bus when an arm signal device is extended”.

ttyymmnn > Urambo Tauro 10/30/2018 at 23:43

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The Real Bicycle Buck did an extended reply in this thread about the scene of the tragedy. The road those kids were crossing has a 55 mph speed limit. That’s just nuts.

Cash Rewards > Dr. Zoidberg - RIP Oppo 10/31/2018 at 11:28

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it’s apparently 3 counts of reckless homicide, plus the traffic charge of passing the bus.